Shoulder Move in Golf Swing – Downswing Golf Lesson by Herman Williams

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In this video golf swing lesson, Herman demonstrates the downswing shoulder move in the golf swing to avoid coming over the top in the downswing. This shoulder move will help you avoid spinning out as you drop the arms and club in the slot on the downswing.

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Jason Reed says:

Another great video… Didn’t really think much about this one until I
started doing it on my own to stop flying my shoulders open… with this
move you can feel how the leveraging the ground helps the body power into
this position

Roger Hunt says:

I have lots of DVDs and books by some of the biggest teachers in golf and
NONE of them explain or demonstrate the golf swing as good as Herman. This
is really Great 

dloft says:

Herman, I study a lot of golf instruction and I always find yours to be
superb. I suffer from precisely the swing flaw you discuss here. Hence, I
can shoot 69 one day and 85 the next–very frustrating. I stumbled across
the fix you suggest here a couple of days ago on the range and the logic
behind it is pretty inescapable. Most golfers have to tweak the advice they
receive to fit their physical abilities and/or the way they process
information, but if they suffer from this problem, you have given them the
way to cure it. Many thanks for validating what I’m working on. It helps a
lot to hear it from a fine instructor such as you. 

Stephen Walter says:

This is terrible advice – do not tilt your spine backwards! it should be
the exact opposite – your right shoulder should be attacking the ball at 90
degrees and then release.

Grant Hooper says:

this is just asking to be stuck!!!! no!!! that is horrible movement. this
guy is a good teacher and has the right idea…but the lower body is
jacked…the bump happens going into transition….. drop the right
shoulder WHILE SQUATTING AND TURNING…. belt buckle turning tight in
between the crease of hips and stomach. i should know….. i went from a 20
handicap swinging under 100 mph to close to scratch and swinging 115 ….
in less than 6 months. 

Jack C. Proctor says:

Good One..

Susinto Thamrin says:

Just what i needed. Im one with very bad muscle memory, and have been
lokking scientificly at golf swing instead of those with great muscle
memory that asks me to keep using feeling. Thnx herman. After this move i
can use my right side to attack the ball and have a minimal draw ball
trajectory to attack pin, instead of keep fading the ball

tonystark171 says:

Where does the ” right side through” feeling happen?

Jason Reed says:

Great stuff. The lower body moving first definitely decreased how bad I
would pull the ball, but it didn’t eliminate it completely and I noticed I
definitely continued to lose spine angle. Dropping the back shoulder and
getting that lead shoulder up was definitely what I needed to maintain that
spine angle. For those who confuse this with standing up just picture the T
formed with your shoulders and spine. When the T rotates on an angle which
way does front shoulder go? Back and up. On less of an angle it rotates
more around to the left (over the top). For me I was flattening my
shoulders and pulling out low and wide, which would naturally cause my
spine to raise since the T rotates on less of an angle because the
shoulders are flat…. Anyway, it was a weird feeling for me at first and I
still need work, but lower body disassociation with the upper body, and
dropping the back shoulder is definitely what got me on plane.

tonystark171 says:

Tried it on the range, just started to push it.

Sadat Omar says:

To those saying its bad advice, you probably have good weight shift on the
downswing. But I have exactly the problem shown, and the advice is sound. I
heard this first on another program and when I tried it, it fixed my out to
in swing to a large extent, although I still had some problems with hitting
mid irons thin.

Sunny Wong says:

Drill for curing over the top outside-in downswing by Herman Williams. Good
for slicers.

canefan17 says:

Any attempt at moving my lower body consciously winds up being a failure (I
get stuck and hit fat shots). The bump turns into a slide, etc etc.

I know I’m not the only one.

Win Aung says:

Drill for curing over the top outside-in downswing by Herman Williams. Good
for slicers.

talk2jwu says:

I would love to see this vid in the “clear” version…. 🙂

paul conlon says:

Herman I’m a big fan of your instruction. Where I find your videos a cut
above the rest is in the clarity and detail. Nice work.

finnymatua says:

Thanks Herman…finally an explanation that makes sense…I had that
problem, and it would force me to fall out or my lposture on my down swing.

Herman Williams Golf says:

Thanks for commenting Larry. I like most of what you mention here, but if
you look closely at Tour players you will not see the left shoulder down at
impact. But this may be a good idea for someone who tends to stand up early
and back up. The physical move I describe here with right shoulder down at
impact will generally lead to a lower spine angle with the butt pushed back
and yes, a squat, not standing up. But you can’t squat forever. The whole
left side will rotate and straighten to finish.

Herman Williams Golf says:

Understood … it’s definitely a tough game playing 2-handed from the side
of the ball sitting below us on the ground. There is good history of
left-handed people playing great right handed golf and vice versa. One
thing to consider also is the finesse side of the game. If you are
right-handed and make an underhanded toss more consistently with the right
hand, some will find it easiest to play the game right-handed for the
“feel” shots.

James Bond says:

That is terrible advice.

John T says:

I actually tried this left shoulder “up” move as I approached impact and it
really straightened out my driver. My contact improved quite a bit I felt I
was making better contact on the sweet spot. When I tried this with other
clubs not teed up I kept hitting the ball thin and very low but they were
straight. To compensate I had to squat down on the downswing, to avoid thin
shots as my left shoulder moves up. Is this compensation correct?

Hank MoHank says:

Hello Herman – Thanks, very interesting way to explain the right shoulder
movement in the downswing, I think this is just what I was looking for to
help me out. One thing, Tom Watson has something about shoulder rotation &
downswing & swing plane, he calls his big secret- he found out in 92′ or
93′. Is what you explain here compatible with Watson’s move ?

Herman Williams Golf says:

Your concerns are valid, and this move may not be necessary for you unless
you fight going over the top. assuming you are a good candidate for this
shoulder move think of the right shoulder first moving down, then out and
finally forward. You are never in one position very long. Hips should pull
everything around anyway, but I don’t mind sending the chest and shoulders
once the hands have dropped down to hip area.

Herman Williams Golf says:

Thanks … yes I screwed this one up by accidentally filming in macro mode
on camera. Sorry for that but can’t edit it and probably won’t have an
opportunity to reshoot it.

Herman Williams Golf says:

I’d say so. These things are sometimes hard to communicate in words, but
there is also some additional side-bending in the mid and upper spine prior
to the forward “underneath” rotation of the chest.

AJs Room says:

Thats a awesome thing to try ! Gona do it today ! Im currently a 3 HCP but
feel i can play better ! I have been hitting every fairway but coming to mi
irons shots it seems im puching the way right and missing the greens ! I
have 5.0 rifle shafts which i think is the problem. Think the club is way
behind before impact and causing a push . I will do a video response of my
swing so you can see if im doing something wrong (if you get time to do
so). Keep up the good work love your videos !!!

Aaron Eshkakogan says:

worst advice ever…holy crap!

Herman Williams Golf says:

Agreed … wish i hadn’t screwed up the focus settings but can’t edit once

John T says:

Thanks so much for the quick response. So does keeping the right elbow bent
mean just delaying the straightening of the right arm maybe a fraction of
second longer. Also, does the straightening of the right arm occur just
after right shoulder has dropped to its lowest point?

Michael Barnett says:

Herman, Love your videos and explanations. How you do avoid fat shots with
this move? Holding the waiter’s tray position. Certainly, if you early
extend the right wrist you will hit the ground. Please explain. Mike (from
your blog)

Herman Williams Golf says:

It’s unlikely you’ll overdo it too much if this is a foreign move to you.
But i recommend looking for the left side of your body to “post up” tall in
the finish, not sagging with excessive knee drive too long in the finish.
Also try to keep your head steady on downswing … just let mostly your
lower half move targetward. Good luck. – Herman

omega potato says:

Excellent advice…so many know not to come over the top and initiate d
swing from ground but get caught out pulling and shanking and fading
everything because they can’t disassociate as well as pros…he is spot on
that simple left hip advice doesn’t cut it for this with less flexibility
upper to lower body…most golf tips are the equivalent of malpractice in
medicine…prescription without diagnosis….thank you


I am a student of the game so you can take my info or leave it. Most
instructors will tell you to either swing straight back and straight
through. Here’s something you can experiement with; Take the clubhead
slightly to the outside(don’t over do it). As you do this, it’s usually
instinctive to move the clubhead back to the inside, creating a slight loop
in the swing…That’s the easiest way I know of to create the proper swing
path and that’s roughtly what Trevino did…Experiement!!

TheStrainers says:

finally someone explaining exactly what I’m doing wrong. Thanks!

666mcnally says:

ill try that one thanks

lovedoveish says:

great videos herman. Getting “hermanized” has helped my game tramendously.
thank you a lot for your effort and gifted teaching abilities.

Herman Williams Golf says:

That’s a lot to respond to, but I like the lead arm definitely riding high
on top of chest as you see in my setup video. I’m not sure I want “taught”
arms but I like the lead arm firm to maintain wide swing arc in backswing.
Brace your trailing leg inward on backswing to easily push off. This should
help with clearing. Otherwise you might consider working on core rotation
exercises in gym environment.

Herman Williams Golf says:

It is a little more applicable to one-plane swings, but will help any
player who fights going over the top due to shoulders spinning outward. A
2-planer should try to hold the chest back or face the ball longer as the
arms drop in downswing if this shoulder move described here seems too

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