GOLF DRIVERS were you SOLD or did you REALLY GAIN

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When it comes to buying a new golf driver there are some important ideas that you need to watch for. The last time you bought a new golf driver where you sold or did you really make any gains. Mark Crossfield golf professional talks about golf drivers and how to know if your new Callaway Epic, or Sim Taylormade 2, Ping G425 or Titleist TSi2 is actually any better than the driver you already have. Trying to understand what your data means in a test and if that data really does mean your new golf club is going further and straighter is important buying advice for any golfer. If you are a beginner golfer or an experienced golfer getting the best golf driver for your golf game can really help you shoot lower scores but often golfers look to golf equipment for their longer straighter golf drives. The issue with looking there is maybe you are simply seeing noise not data.

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Neil Dolan says:

I bought myself a Cobra FMAX Airspeed Driver 11.5 Degree offset. Having eliminated the slice and with a swing speed of 95-100Mph I have realised it may not be doing me any favours with my 200 yard carry. I could buy a 10 degree driver with stiff shaft but I am going to treat myself to a fitting to find out exactly what is right and wrong with my swing.

Jeff Suess says:

The power of numbers. I'm showing this to maths classes when they ask, "what can we really do with this stuff" Good stuff!

Atkin1978 says:

I had a fitter who was secretly adjusting my hits for the wind that was minimally into my face. Think he added 12 yards in an attempt to sell me a Cobra Driver. I only realised 2 days later when he emailed me the data.

Marshall Hobbs says:

You said, “Y’all.” When did you move to the southern states?

Stephen Carroll says:

I look for more forgiveness and ball speed. In that order I tend to miss the ball low in the head so I also look for a club that sits flat. Almost went a year old sim but had clubhouse cash for something shiny so tsi3 on a B1 yes please 😏

B A says:

Good concept Mark!

Would be more interesting and I’d argue comparable if you tested a 5 year old or 10 year old club that had 500+ shots of wear to a new one. Often that’s why I buy new clubs because my perception is that golf clubs (like anything) wear out over time and so I may get the same or similar performance initially but how much does having a new face and shaft matter versus a worn out one…over time will I see gains not from the new club but from the delta being created by the old club deteriorating and therefore making the new club perform relatively better (although it’s performance might be unchanged)

Kevin Wood says:

Dispersion probably

Tim Buma says:

Love this content! I have my Arccos data from playing my g410 driver. Going to put in a lower spinning and longer (for me) Sim driver this year and see if there are gains to be had!

Peter rm says:

You should try ESCI to process the data. It's really good for confidence intervals and it's open access. Geoff Cummings designed it. His books are pretty easy to process (well explained).

Final missing piece are effect sizes. Of those significant changes, what's the magnitude of that change. How much variance in production can be accounted for by club. Would be cool to see.

Wayno845 says:

Think you took a deep dive into your milk for your coffee. Who really gives a fuck…….keep it real.

Chris Dixon says:

What if you tried that head with the shaftoid 3000 xtra light super shaft with a high kick point, low spin, high launch characteristic? Be an easy 50 yard gain 😳😳😳 Great vid, very thought provoking

cam says:

this is why most tour pros who dont have to use clubs by there sponsor normally have old clubs in there bag as theres hardly been no change to the gear over the years. its just nice to have something shiny and looks nice in the bag every now and then like a new jacket or pair of shoes lol

Lawrence Mollo says:

Definitely a time where it was just about having a new toy. Luckily my new instructor is a helpful sounding board. I recently went through a manufacturer's demo day and was swinging -7-10 deg club path, -2-4 deg down on the ball, and was fit into a driver that worked better. But I'm hopefully going to correct some of my swing mechanics and therefore, would get benefit from another driver make up. So working on swing and not just new toys.

Steve Haggerty says:

I have had a ping g LST for a few years. I have tested lots of new versions and cant find anything that would change my iron for the second shot

darryl godfrey says:

I would think A

Corey Lowe says:

So question for you mark. If you were working at a pro shop and not a PGA professional and a customer came walking in to buy a new driver. You show them the data and present them the new driver vs old driver. Due to the fact you aren't a pro, how can you apply a lesson to a fitting. I'm not a PGA professional, but I've been a certified fitter for 16 years. I'm certified with Ping, Cobra, Callaway, Taylormade, and Titleist. So under the rules of the PGA, I can not give a lesson, so does that make me any less qualified to fit that customer? I agree that most driver are very similar and data is data. But you have to understand that people are watching these videos who don't know what the S or R means on the shafts.

Nick Kilmartin says:

Mixing up median and average there

Daniel Brown says:

This is just an excellent overview! Nice work as usual Mark. I have only had 3 drivers in the last 16 years (none custom fit :/ but almost everything else in my bag is custom fit), changed the 1st because I caved the face in after 7 years (Ping G2)… Changed the second (Ping i15) after about 5 years because it was just so unforgiving, and am still in the club I bought an original Taylormade M1 which bought after testing myself basically on feel and ball flight (it was a demo and an excellent deal!), and I saw playing on my home course it was just so much longer, probably because I had better launch conditions than the previous one. Now could I get a better fit for me? Almost 100%, and I might get a custom fit in the next couple of years to see if it will really benefit me, but changing too often, searching for distance in tech can't be too helpful for game progression. I agree with others in the comments too though, sometimes you just want a new toy, and why not, lovely and shiny! The issue comes from expecting miracles from any club, as you'll likely be dissappointed unless you really are using very old tech (maybe 10 years+) or something just completely unsuited to you (and this is where your pro and custom fitting can really help). Lessons and practice, those are where the miracles come from 😉

Jan Schnitzler says:

Love the comparison (and questioning) of these data. There are a couple of simple tests you could use to compare means (t-test), variances (f-test, Levene's test), or distributions (Kolmogorov-Smirnov test). However, some of these assume that your data are distributed normally, when often they are not (e.g. outliers in driving distance). Plus, you would ideally collect more data (which will always be difficult during a fitting session) to get (statistically) solid results. Using data collected over an entire season would be a good start, but you could have a confounding effect of swing changes (that might lead to distance/accuracy improvements over time)…

Kaddywompous says:

0:08 “…Friendo.”

Paul P says:

Great video Mark, makes so much sense.

Teddy UK says:

When I finally get back to work and re-buy all my clubs I won't be looking for distance/accuracy from a driver, That sort of improvement I'll gain from lessons and practise.

Stephen Mateer says:

great video

Thomas Samarati says:

Honesty revealed by scientific analysis. My golf game is anecdotal proof of this video. Year 1989 I start playing golf at age 37. After 6 months of daily driving range work I drive the ball 240 yards with an Orlimar persimmon tiny head with a steel dynamic gold shaft. Over the next 30 years I buy , try and sell at least 40 drivers. Year 2021 I'm 68 years old. My driver is a Mizuno ST200 with an Atmos shaft. And you guessed it, I drive the ball 240 yards. Only real improvement is that my old baby fade is now a baby draw. And that's because I changed my address and swing path, it ain't the golf club.

J D Goettee says:

Duh! Driver #1

John Hillyard says:

thank u for this. been looking out for a video comparing all the draw drivers.

John Collins says:

Maybe your suggesting a fitting first for swing faults then when fixed a fitting for clubs?

Alex Orka Golf says:

Only delete the real bad ones. You need a fair average to get a true stat / number and in turn correct data. Don’t waffle drivel without actually understanding relationship between swing characteristics and club and how data can change through technique as well as product. Don’t make golf dumb Mark. Stay well.

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